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	Mr. Chairman, we're good when you are.	00:00:05
	Under the flag of the United States of America.	00:00:27
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:00:30
	One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:33
	Commissioners, have the agenda before us. Got a couple changes I'd like to.	00:00:44
	Present to you, first of all, item number 13 will be tabled this evening.	00:00:49
	And I was gonna ask if there's objection to move item number 14.	00:00:54
	To our first action item of the evening so it would go before item 9.	00:00:59
	If there's.	00:01:05
	Or if there's any.	00:01:06
	If there's a.	00:01:08
	Opposition to that, that I would appreciate that and if there's any other changes, my fellow Commissioners all accept those now.	00:01:10
	Any changes by staff?	00:01:18
	No, Mr. Chairman, that was the.	00:01:20
	Is there a motion to approve the agenda as amended?	00:01:22
	So moved.	00:01:25
	The motion and 2nd any discussion. The motion is second.	00:01:27
	They've begun, Mr. Richardson. Vote yes, vote yes. Commissioner sparked your vote yes, vote yes. I vote yes. It is approved as	00:01:30
	amended.	00:01:34
	Item number four, approval of minutes. We have one set of minutes from our.	00:01:38
	June 7th, 2023 Public hearing Business meeting. Are there any changes to those minutes?	00:01:41
	Any changes by staff?	00:01:49
	No, Mr. Chairman.	00:01:51
	If not, is there a recommendation to approve as presented?	00:01:52
	Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve as presented.	00:01:54
	2nd.	00:01:57
	The motion and 2nd. Any discussion on the motion and 2nd.	00:01:58
	There would be none. Commissioner Richardson, you vote yes, vote yes, vote yes. On your vote yes, vote yes. They stand approved.	00:02:01
	We'll go ahead and move on now to our public comment.	00:02:08
	Thank you.	00:02:18
	OK.	00:02:40
	There's a couple of names on here that I can't read, but the first one I believe the last name is Smith.	00:02:42
	OK.	00:02:48
	So hidden.	00:02:49
	Step up and you'll if you'll just give your name and address for the record, please.	00:02:51
	Good evening. My name is Sharon Smith.	00:03:01
	I love that 7 Lewis St.	00:03:04
	And blind.	00:03:06
	Which is Casa Colorado area, for those who don't know.	00:03:08
	I'm here again on the issue of the cannabis farm they're trying to put at the beginning of our neighborhood.	00:03:12
	I've spoke here before.	00:03:19
	We are very concerned. Our issues are still the same. We made sure you each had a copy of that last time we were here so you could	00:03:21
	see what our issues were.	00:03:26
	They have not changed at all.	00:03:31
	We have not heard from the county. I have made numerous calls.	00:03:33
	And I'm still not getting answers.	00:03:37
	I have tried to make an appointment to be at one of your hearings.	00:03:40
	So that we can talk to you.	00:03:44
	And nobody calls me back.	00:03:48
	So I made a second call and I used Mr. Sparkman.	00:03:51
	As my sponsor, because I didn't know how to be, how to get a hold of the sponsor, I didn't know who was the sponsor, who was in	00:03:54
	the sponsor.	00:03:58
	And I was told no.	00:04:02
	No explanation.	00:04:04
	Just no.	00:04:07
	I don't know if Mr. Sparkman said no or if they just.	00:04:09
	Don't use the Councilman.	00:04:13
	I would like to have a hearing.	00:04:15
	We have great concerns.	00:04:18
	And we are not being heard.	00:04:21
	And now this has gone on for quite a while.	00:04:23
	And we're still not getting answers. And I've spoken to Mike Milam.	00:04:26
	He probably remembers my call. And you did say you would call me as soon as anything changed.	00:04:30
	I haven't heard from my.	00:04:37
	I don't know if it's still on.	00:04:38
	I don't know if it's off.	00:04:41
	I don't know what my next step needs to be. I don't know if you have a requirement.	00:04:42
	For us to do something before we get to stand before you.	00:04:47
	Please advise us.	00:04:51
	We pay taxes.	00:04:52
	We have been here 2022 1/2 years. Several of my neighbors have been here longer and some are little shorter than us.	00:04:54
	We should have rights.	00:05:03
	So please tell us how to get to your hearing so that we can express our concerns.	00:05:06
	And our complaints?	00:05:11
	And what are our issues are at this point?	00:05:13
	I've spoke to the road department.	00:05:17
	They will not call me back.	00:05:19
	I have given them questions.	00:05:21
	That there should be answers to.	00:05:23
	One lady said she's been there 20 years.	00:05:25
	Why can she not answer?	00:05:28
	Why that road is now called?	00:05:30
	Peace flamed, but it was not called Peace Lane when we moved here. But nobody seems to know that.	00:05:33
	Please answer our questions. Please help us with this cannabis issue. It does not belong in the neighborhood. You look around and	00:05:41
	there are thousands and thousands of acres of land.	00:05:46
	They're much more appropriate.	00:05:52
	For a cannabis farm, we are not telling you we don't think they should be out there.	00:05:54
	We are not putting in our political field.	00:06:00
	Thank you. Thank you.	00:06:03
	OK, I believe there is another signature like.	00:06:07
	OK. That's perfect. Go ahead and come on up if you'll just.	00:06:12
	You just state your name and address for the record, please. Evening, my name is Chuck Woodward.	00:06:16
	That was my wife you just listened to.	00:06:20
	7 Lewis St. there in Costa, Colorado.	00:06:22
	We've been in here before and I don't have a lot to say tonight. You know, I've said it all before.	00:06:26
	Basically here just to let you know that.	00:06:31
	We're we're still concerned. We're not going away.	00:06:34
	We're going to keep after this thing, you know, until we get something resolved.	00:06:37
	You know, like she said, there's a lot of various in that area.	00:06:42
	They're far more appropriate for something like this in a neighborhood.	00:06:47
	Everybody we've talked to says this is definitely going to affect our property values.	00:06:51
	We've got kids in the neighborhood. The Sheriff's Department has agreed that it's likely going to bring our crime rate back up	00:06:57
	again.	00:07:01
	And we spent a long time and we.	00:07:05
	Organize a community.	00:07:08
	Watch.	00:07:11
	System and we've cleaned it up and and we've got rid of there was a lot of crime there and this.	00:07:12
	Pretty much nonexistent now. We want to keep it that way.	00:07:17
	And so, like she said, we've been here over 20 years or 22 years.	00:07:21
	But there are people in that neighborhood. Been there 40 years and more.	00:07:25
	And I think that we should have a say in what goes on.	00:07:29
	What comes into our neighborhood?	00:07:32
	You know.	00:07:34
	This is just not like.	00:07:35
	Somebody when this started, it looked like somebody who gets to build a house there.	00:07:37
	And it almost looked like they tried to sneak it in. You know, when they put the well in them, they put a big pile of dirt in	00:07:42
	front of it so you couldn't see it and.	00:07:45
	And you know, I I don't know. It's just it's just a screen deal. I I think that it's just not appropriate for a neighborhood like	00:07:49
	that.	00:07:53
	To have.	00:07:56
	That our neighborhood.	00:07:57
	I realize it's legal. I'm against it.	00:07:59
	Doesn't matter. It's legal, but we we just don't want it growing in our neighborhood.	00:08:02
	So that's it for me. Thank you. Thank you.	00:08:07
	OK, next we have a Ramon Baca.	00:08:12
	Good afternoon.	00:08:26
	Under one baca.	00:08:27
	A little bit 618 of drive.	00:08:30
	I've been in a long.	00:08:32
	Life residency born and raised.	00:08:33
	In the Conqueror.	00:08:36
	And I live in Berlin.	00:08:38
	But I was some different calculator I seen all that there was to be seen.	00:08:40
	I'd like to share with you yours have seen what?	00:08:46
	All these drugs have come up to how much is costing us all our taxpayer dollars.	00:08:49
	How much?	00:08:55
	If.	00:08:57
	It's hurting.	00:08:58
	No, there's nothing good.	00:08:59
	About this whole thing.	00:09:01
	And yet in Mexico, right now, it's got the 15th highest drug.	00:09:02
	In the United States.	00:09:07
	That New Mexico, but the whole United States.	00:09:09
	And that that's that's a shame to be that.	00:09:13
	To be categorized that high already.	00:09:15
	And and now we're, we're talking about that trying to add on.	00:09:18
	And giving them some more linkage.	00:09:21
	Another thing.	00:09:24
	I've seen in the.	00:09:26
	And a newspaper out of Socorro.	00:09:29
	Where the the.	00:09:33
	Attribute to Valencia County.	00:09:35
	$427,768.	00:09:37
	I don't know if anyone you all were of it.	00:09:42
	Fairfield, address your comments to us please.	00:09:46
	If you want to leave that with us, that's fine, but when you're speaking, you speak to us and not the public.	00:09:49
	Thank you. Appreciate it.	00:09:54
	He's the facts that come up.	00:09:57
	Of all the five different counties, how much money was there was allocated for drugs?	00:10:00
	And.	00:10:06
	To me.	00:10:08
	Cannabis.	00:10:11
	It's it's it's a drug. It's just like.	00:10:12
	Alcohol.	00:10:15
	You may start with.	00:10:16
	Beer a day.	00:10:17
	Week.	00:10:20
	But eventually you you're gonna ease up and the same thing. You're gonna go with these drugs. You may smoke marijuana.	00:10:21
	Have a joint hearing now and then.	00:10:29
	But a leader?	00:10:31
	Through all the other different.	00:10:33
	Stranger things.	00:10:34
	Another thing.	00:10:36
	Is a water.	00:10:38
	Of all things.	00:10:41
	Your water.	00:10:42
	Got.	00:10:44
	If you had only seen.	00:10:45
	And I'm like the only hope to me. I'll remember what it was like in the in the mid 60s.	00:10:48
	When the rivers went dry.	00:10:54
	For the first time.	00:10:57
	We and the whole community, we didn't have the means and having deep well. We only had shallow wells. We had no water.	00:10:58
	Think about it, what you do go home today and not have no drinking water and you can rely on on your neighbor that might still	00:11:06
	have running water at that moment.	00:11:11
	And going on there and and pitching A5 gallon bucket of water.	00:11:17
	We are.	00:11:23
	We were all in poverty.	00:11:24
	And we're still you must go. It's a poverty state. We're not. We're not no rich people.	00:11:26
	So and I ask.	00:11:32
	Please consider taking those mean don't take those.	00:11:34
	Don't take those valuable resources from our children, our grandchildren, great grandchildren, is our precious water. Thank you	00:11:38
	very much.	00:11:41
	Thank you.	00:11:45
	OK, Next we had a.	00:11:47
	Simran Gonzalez. But I think you heard to speak on the zone change, Is that correct?	00:11:49
	You're you. Did you sign up to to speak? OK. You're you're wanting to speak on the zone change, so we'll do that when we get to	00:11:54
	that item, OK.	00:11:57
	That, that that'll be a different time for you to be able to address this.	00:12:01
	Michelle Shiplet.	00:12:05
	For Michael Shifflett.	00:12:06
	Michelle, I'm sorry.	00:12:09
	I'm here about the cannabis farm.	00:12:16
	If you'll just send your name and address for the record shiplett.	00:12:18
	I'm here about the cannabis farm in our neighborhood.	00:12:22
	I wonder if this forum was being.	00:12:26
	In your neighborhood, if they put it there in your neighborhood.	00:12:29
	Feet.	00:12:32
	100, you know, 100 feet, 50 feet.	00:12:34
	From your homes.	00:12:36
	Would it disturb you or would it bother you? Is that?	00:12:38
	I mean, it's not so you're not worried about it.	00:12:41
	Mr. Sparkman, I voted for you.	00:12:44
	I expect something.	00:12:46
	Consideration.	00:12:48
	Something cordial.	00:12:50
	Just.	00:12:52
	Yes, we're thinking about it. We do care about your neighborhood.	00:12:53
	We don't know why this stranger from.	00:12:57
	Corrales came down here, bought property, put in a six inch well.	00:12:59
	And it's.	00:13:03
	We're going to let him grow pot in your neighborhood.	00:13:04
	I really hope that you guys will let us.	00:13:09
	Have a hearing, let us do something so that.	00:13:12
	We think or we believe that you're you actually do care what happens to us down there?	00:13:15
	And appreciate your time. Thank you.	00:13:20
	Thank you.	00:13:23
	OK. I apologize, Dave Tate.	00:13:49
	OK.	00:13:54
	Sarah take.	00:13:56
	Ohh, that's.	00:14:00
	OK, Sam.	00:14:01
	That works for me if you just state your David. Just for the record.	00:14:03
	My name is Samantha Tate. I live at Tim Barbara Casa, Colorado.	00:14:08
	I am here again about the cannabis farm that is proposed to come into our neighborhood.	00:14:13
	And my I, am I allowed to ask you guys questions or can I only say this is not a question answer. OK. So you can go ahead and	00:14:20
	address this. OK And well will allow you to speak. All right. Thank you.	00:14:27
	Umm.	00:14:34
	I don't know if you folks get together afterwards and talk about the issues that are brought up in front of you.	00:14:35
	So I don't know how anything gets resolved if you don't.	00:14:42
	Am I supposed to only speak to the representative?	00:14:47
	Of my area and.	00:14:51
	Am I even speaking to the right council here?	00:14:54
	I don't know because we don't get feedback.	00:14:58
	We get no feedback at all.	00:15:02
	For all I know, I'm just sitting here and you guys are thinking there's that crazy old lady from Casa Colorado again that doesn't	00:15:04
	want the canvas from.	00:15:08
	We're just trying to protect our neighborhood.	00:15:12
	And if I'm not speaking to the correct people?	00:15:15
	Please let somebody in our group know.	00:15:18
	So we don't have to come here and bug you guys.	00:15:22
	Every Wednesday that you have a meeting.	00:15:25
	Because if we don't get to the correct person, you're going to keep seeing our faces here over and over again until we get this	00:15:28
	resolved and find out who we can talk to.	00:15:34
	Thank you for your time.	00:15:41
	Thank you very much.	00:15:42
	And I just want you to all of you to know that they're speaking on the cannabis issue. You're not being ignored, but there are a	00:15:44
	lot of most of these restrictions are state or state.	00:15:48
	Rules that they have passed the ordinance and the legalization of cannabis.	00:15:53
	We have very little to do with it at county level, but I think that we'll.	00:15:56
	Danny, could you chime in a little bit on that? The individual has not brought a plan to the county asking for a cannabis. We did	00:16:00
	tell. I'm sorry, missus.	00:16:05
	Smith that we would get with him as soon as we heard something from this applicant.	00:16:11
	That's the reason they have not heard anything. I've spoke with their three times myself.	00:16:16
	And we have not heard anything back from the applicant since he came in three months ago.	00:16:20
	So it.	00:16:24
	At the county level right now, nothing has come to us saying that he wants to do anything with the cannabis format, So as far as	00:16:26
	the county goes.	00:16:30
	He has not brought that to us and we have nothing saying that he's going to do that.	00:16:35
	Mrs. Hardeman was here, she has carried, she can answer any of those questions, she can pass them out to whoever wants, but.	00:16:39
	As far as the county goes.	00:16:44
	The applicant has not come to us and ask for anything. Mr. Chairman, if I could follow up on that. So Commissioner Sparkman's	00:16:46
	request and so that he wasn't later booted out of any zoning decision that might come before this board, he requested that staff	00:16:52
	and myself meet with the impacted individuals and visit with them about this project.	00:16:58
	And advise them to speak with the proper authorities regarding the licensure.	00:17:36
	Thank you very much. Nothing has changed since that, that you had that meeting with them. I've heard nothing.	00:17:40
	OK. Thank you. I apologize that you guys are having to deal with this, but.	00:17:45
	You know the the county is has very little face phone. What is happening with that? So thank you guys for your patience.	00:17:49
	But I'll give you a couple minutes if you want to come up again, Mr. Chairman.	00:17:58
	I'll advise that this board normally does not allow for rebuttals and so forth, but it's completely you're just it's completely	00:18:02
	your discretion how you'd like to approach.	00:18:05
	Please go ahead and come on up and we'll give you.	00:18:10
	Just a short, short time to speak, but the.	00:18:12
	Again, we're we're not going to, we're not going to get into any discussion other than what I've offered, ask you to get into	00:18:15
	this. Please go ahead and fax and address for the record Sharon Smith.	00:18:19
	7 Lewis St.	00:18:24
	OK, Mr. Sparkman sat in the front lobby with us very first time we met.	00:18:26
	I had never met Mr. We're not, We're not going to go down that path. If you have something that you want to say this.	00:18:32
	He is the one that said we needed to get with the Commission and go to their hearing.	00:18:38
	I don't know if you recall that.	00:18:43
	But we did what he suggested and we're told no.	00:18:45
	Simple as that.	00:18:50
	We have tried to call people.	00:18:51
	People don't call back.	00:18:54
	We have been pulled. You make decisions and I know you do because we have another issue that from another neighborhood that you	00:18:57
	went to and talked to them right after the meeting.	00:19:02
	And we have not gotten the same kind of.	00:19:08
	Ability.	00:19:11
	We.	00:19:14
	Feel that you have ignored us.	00:19:14
	And you get paid.	00:19:17
	To be our commissioners.	00:19:19
	And yet, we can't get any of you.	00:19:21
	To speak to us.	00:19:24
	On a personal matter that will affect us gravely.	00:19:26
	On asking is give us the same chance you gave the people with the trucking issue.	00:19:30
	And let us talk to you, Let us know what you're thinking.	00:19:35
	Let us know if you come up with an idea we haven't thought about.	00:19:39
	And yes, we did speak to him.	00:19:42
	But we did not get any answers back from anybody.	00:19:45
	Well, you may not get the like I said, we're gonna end this right now. But I'm gonna tell you may not be getting the answers that	00:19:49
	you want, that you may not be getting answers because there may not be enough answers or answers for your questions.	00:19:54
	Mrs. Artemio will give you a card and if you wanted to discuss it with staff further, that would be fine. But we're going to end	00:19:59
	the public discussion at this time. We're going down the path that I don't want to go down that, OK? Can we continue to come to	00:20:04
	your meeting if you have 3 minutes every meeting you like to come.	00:20:08
	Thank you.	00:20:13
	OK.	00:20:16
	Move on to item number 5, our discussion non action items. Commissioners, is there anything we wish to bring to the table tonight?	00:20:17
	Mr. Chair I.	00:20:25
	I think.	00:20:27
	Mr. Davis is gonna talk on the.	00:20:28
	What our plans are for 4th of July.	00:20:32
	OK.	00:20:35
	Yeah. Well, give me one second, we'll, I'll call you anything else from commissioners.	00:20:36
	Staff.	00:20:41
	No, Mr. Chairman, that was Mr. Davis. OK, before we get Mr. Davis up here and thank you, I just want to say that.	00:20:43
	I attended the New Mexico.	00:20:50
	Counties State.	00:20:52
	Convention this weekend that was in San Juan County.	00:20:55
	First time ever I was able to attend that, and it was.	00:20:58
	Quite informative. They did a really good job. San Juan County and Farmington did a great job posting it.	00:21:01
	But during that time.	00:21:07
	Our own Jonathan Aragon ended his term as president of New Mexico Counties.	00:21:09
	And during.	00:21:14
	The conference up there was apparent.	00:21:16
	As to how much support he had.	00:21:18
	From the members of New Mexico County, she's done an excellent job.	00:21:21
	And of course, as everything happens, you're all good. Things must come to an end.	00:21:24
	But I want to personally thank you for your efforts that you put forth. It was sure nice having you.	00:21:28
	As the commissioner from the Lindsey County, being president of Mexico counties and again you did a great job, so thank you.	00:21:32
	Mr. Davis, Courtiers.	00:21:42
	Mr. Chair, Commissioners was asked to come before you guys, reference to yet again fireworks for 2023.	00:21:46
	As you know, as of the 20th of this month there by state statute they are open for sale.	00:21:53
	As far as Valencia counting then incorporated areas we still.	00:22:00
	Our ordinance relies on what we call safe and sane fireworks.	00:22:05
	Safe and sane fireworks are the ones that are being sold if they say they emit sparks. Those are allowed in the unincorporated	00:22:09
	areas of Valencia County.	00:22:13
	Those fireworks are legally sold in the village of Los Lunas and Berlin.	00:22:18
	The other issue we have that we always have is with the Peralta area, of course they.	00:22:24
	Have no restrictions on their fireworks, they're they're allowed to sell the maximum that the state allows.	00:22:30
	Which causes us.	00:22:35
	A whole lot of issues here in Winston County, as you well know.	00:22:37
	But as of right now, they are being sold.	00:22:40
	Umm.	00:22:43
	We're going to do the best that we can. It's almost impossible to.	00:22:44
	Get everything that the amount of fireworks that do come from Valencia County.	00:22:49
	And the staff that we have on hand, so we'll do the best we can.	00:22:53
	Enforcement.	00:22:57
	Is going to be hit and miss depending on what it is.	00:22:58
	If it causes property damage or somebody gets hurt, then we'll deal with it accordingly with that.	00:23:01
	So.	00:23:06
	You still?	00:23:08
	We'll try and get out on the ninth of the 4th of July and do some patrolling.	00:23:09
	But with the sheer volume that's going to come from down here, it's going to be almost impossible to.	00:23:14
	Please everything so.	00:23:18
	We ask and we'll get with the.	00:23:21
	The paper over here and try and get a couple of things in the next couple runs with some safety information.	00:23:24
	Go out to the residence, we'll try and get it on our website and stuff like that so people can see.	00:23:29
	They need to be safe.	00:23:34
	Making sure they have water available.	00:23:36
	Right ground.	00:23:38
	No grasses, that type of thing.	00:23:39
	The drought situation, of course we're not in the drought.	00:23:42
	According to the state, so.	00:23:45
	Even if we were, we're still a little bit behind the ball and making any further restrictions.	00:23:48
	That I've talked with Mr. Peter on the last couple of days reference to that.	00:23:52
	So that's kind of where we're at. If you guys have any questions or feel free to answer your answer as best as I can.	00:23:57
	For you.	00:24:03
	Commissioners.	00:24:04
	Sure.	00:24:05
	I don't want to over speak with Dave.	00:24:06
	What would I ask?	00:24:08
	Mr. Pato.	00:24:10
	And the chief product if because we are on a time sensitive.	00:24:11
	To do restrictions.	00:24:16
	That they get. What is the date they've?	00:24:18
	It is.	00:24:22
	Still the cell.	00:24:25
	So what?	00:24:30
	Go ahead, Good Dave.	00:24:32
	On this calendar and they share with us that.	00:24:41
	As we get towards that time so we don't miss.	00:24:45
	And if I can add a chief properties also on zoom if anybody would like to speak with him also but he has agreed to do that.	00:24:49
	Chairman Fishers.	00:24:57
	Dave Pado, I think your mic is off.	00:24:59
	Ohh, I apologize. There it is. Thank you, Tessa.	00:25:02
	Anything else?	00:25:08
	Mr. Chairman.	00:25:09
	I just want to reiterate what?	00:25:11
	Mr. Davis said.	00:25:14
	You know the the calls that are going to be coming in are going to be.	00:25:16
	Uh.	00:25:20
	Very, very high in volume and I know I got.	00:25:21
	Multiple emails.	00:25:25
	Days before the day of and.	00:25:28
	And.	00:25:30
	Actually, I think even a couple.	00:25:31
	Weeks after.	00:25:33
	4th of July that.	00:25:35
	We need to enforce this deal.	00:25:37
	We are. I think we're going to be enforcing the most severe cases.	00:25:39
	Where people were putting stuff in in.	00:25:43
	People in danger?	00:25:45
	You know, I I know that the Sheriff's Office is going to.	00:25:48
	Do their due diligence and follow up on any.	00:25:52
	Probably yet, but.	00:25:55
	Just.	00:25:57
	Do the sheer volume it's going to be difficult also responding to?	00:25:58
	Emergencies as far as?	00:26:02
	For our students.	00:26:04
	Anything else that may happen, so Please be patient.	00:26:06
	Umm.	00:26:09
	Please continue that e-mail and.	00:26:10
	And follow up with us and we'll get with you as soon as possible about it.	00:26:13
	But it's it's just one of those things. One day that's.	00:26:17
	Crazier, but likes to let loose and and it's hard to.	00:26:21
	Really be on top of it with.	00:26:25
	Many, many cases that may pop up.	00:26:27
	Thank you.	00:26:31
	Issues. Anything else?	00:26:32
	This has been such a hard issue for us over the years and.	00:26:35
	And which we can do about it in our backyard. So it's it is what it is. So we appreciate everything that you guys do and.	00:26:38
	And we do the rest to keep the community safe and you guys keep yourself safe and.	00:26:44
	Do the best you can. We know we will. We know that you will.	00:26:48
	Appreciate that. Thank you. So you may have any questions for Chief Profile. He's with us, Andrew.	00:26:51
	Appears not.	00:26:57
	Chief, thank you for being with us on Zoom, but it looks like you're off the hook for questions tonight.	00:26:58
	Thank you, Chairman.	00:27:04
	OK. Anything else under the discussion on action? No, Mr. Chairman.	00:27:08
	Very good.	00:27:12
	OK. We're going to go ahead and move into item number six, our public hearing items. We've got three of them. We've got two zone	00:27:14
	changes on the agenda tonight. The first one is going to be.	00:27:18
	On the property on 11 Columbus Rd. Los Lunas. The second one is going to be on 52 La La La Veta Rd. in Bolen.	00:27:23
	So the first one again is zone change #2023-002.	00:27:31
	And if there's anybody that's going to speak to the Zone change in Los Lunas, if you would please stand and be sworn in at this	00:27:36
	time.	00:27:38
	You can just stand at your seat to be sworn in.	00:27:43
	Do you swear or affirm that those socially that you were given this case will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the	00:27:48
	truth under the penalty of the law, so help you God?	00:27:52
	OK, Mr. Buck, that's all yours.	00:27:58
	Chairman, Commissioners, good evening.	00:28:04
	So before you today is a request for zone change number 2023022. This lies in District 5 for Planning and Zoning Commissioner	00:28:05
	Trujillo.	00:28:10
	Board of County Commissioners, Oregon.	00:28:16
	Maria Eva Herrera requests a zone change from rural residential to district R2 to rural residential one district R1 to split the	00:28:18
	property into two lots.	00:28:24
	Legal Description Subdivision Los Palomas Acres.	00:28:30
	Lot 22.49 Acres Map 711995 Amended.	00:28:34
	V Also SWM H.	00:28:40
	Located at 11 Palomas Rd. Lunas, New Mexico 87031.	00:28:43
	UPC 1012038.	00:28:48
	475.	00:28:52
	445 followed by 6 zeros.	00:28:54
	Currently zoned rural residential 2.	00:28:56
	R2.	00:28:59
	This was heard by the PNC Commission on April 25th and it was recommended for approval at that time. There were a few people from	00:29:01
	the public both for and against this at that time.	00:29:06
	There was a little bit of opposition, a little bit of.	00:29:12
	Stuff for it that approved it.	00:29:14
	Very good.	00:29:16
	And they stand for any questions, any questions, Mr. Buck at this time?	00:29:17
	OK. Thank you. Thank you so.	00:29:22
	Anybody that's going to speak on this, give testimony, please stand up and state your name and address for the record and also if	00:29:25
	you'll let us know.	00:29:28
	Are you the applicant by any chance?	00:29:31
	I'm I'm, it's my mom that I'm her daughter, Angela.	00:29:33
	Good. Just state your name and address for the record. Thank you. OK and little Madam.	00:29:38
	OK.	00:29:43
	I'm here today on behalf of my mom.	00:29:45
	Umm.	00:29:48
	My mom had a total knee replacement, so that's why she can't be here today.	00:29:49
	She's in a lot of pain.	00:29:53
	Umm.	00:29:55
	I live.	00:29:58
	On my mom, she lives on the West Side. Well, I live on the West Side.	00:29:59
	Getting to her house.	00:30:05
	Takes time especially.	00:30:07
	Traffic is moving, the traffic is heavy.	00:30:10
	My dad and my brother.	00:30:15
	Have passed away.	00:30:17
	So she has no one else but me to care for her.	00:30:22
	My parents have owned this land for 55 years.	00:30:26
	Before my dad passed away.	00:30:31
	He told my brother.	00:30:33
	That he was to build a house on the land.	00:30:36
	So he could be there to take care of.	00:30:40
	My mom.	00:30:44
	Back then, a second home.	00:30:46
	Of land was allowed.	00:30:49
	After my dad passed away.	00:30:54
	My brother asked for permission to build.	00:30:56
	Only to be told rules had changed.	00:31:00
	We were never made aware.	00:31:07
	That zoning had changed.	00:31:11
	And my dad's.	00:31:14
	Wishes were denied.	00:31:15
	I now lost my brother.	00:31:20
	I have a family.	00:31:23
	Husband.	00:31:25
	And children.	00:31:26
	Traveling back and forth is difficult.	00:31:28
	Because of her health issues.	00:31:32
	I need to live near my mom.	00:31:35
	To care for her without her losing her independence.	00:31:38
	Please take my petition into consideration.	00:31:43
	So that we can build our house near my mom.	00:31:47
	Thank you.	00:31:51
	Thank you.	00:31:52
	Any questions? Any questions? Applicants, I guess representative, I guess is what we would refer to as at this point,	00:31:56
	Commissioners.	00:31:59
	OK.	00:32:04
	Thank you. Is there anybody else that wants to speak on behalf of this zone change?	00:32:05
	There's there's not Mr. Baca.	00:32:13
	You have a map of the area.	00:32:15
	Would you please bring that up?	00:32:17
	OK.	00:32:48
	Is there any R1 in that area?	00:32:51
	Yeah, please come up. Thank you.	00:32:55
	Chairman Commissioners are when I guess would be a better question, yes. So their closest R1 zoning is to the east.	00:32:58
	Approximately 0.2 miles.	00:33:06
	So we can see the highlighted here and the closest R1 is the purple district off to the east from there.	00:33:09
	I can pull that up on the other map to show it a little differently.	00:33:21
	Closest R1 is directly E approximately 0.21 miles.	00:33:55
	Very good.	00:34:06
	Commissioners, any other questions?	00:34:07
	Under your review, did this meet the criteria for?	00:34:12
	The zone change.	00:34:15
	Yes, it did, Sir.	00:34:17
	Anything else, Commissioners?	00:34:21
	OK. There being none, we will be making a decision on this a little bit later in our meeting after our executive session, OK.	00:34:25
	OK.	00:34:31
	We'll move on to our next zone change item number seven. This is one at the address of 52, La La La La La Theta Rd. Belen, NM.	00:34:33
	This is zone change number.	00:34:40
	2023-021.	00:34:42
	To buck again.	00:34:45
	I'm sorry, before you start, if there's anybody here that's gonna speak in or give testimony on this one change, I would ask that	00:34:48
	you please stand to be sworn in. Please, I apologize.	00:34:51
	Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you were given this case will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the	00:35:00
	truth and the penalty of the law?	00:35:03
	To help you guys.	00:35:07
	Thank you.	00:35:09
	Now, Mr. Bucket, Mr. Mr. Mr. Buckley, could you for the matter of.	00:35:10
	Recording Would you mind getting out of the map screen?	00:35:15
	Thank you. Sorry about that.	00:35:27
	Thank you. Sorry about that. Chairman, Commissioners, good evening.	00:35:28
	Before you this evening is another zone change, a request for another zone change. This is number 2023021.	00:35:31
	This is in District 4, PNC Commissioner sublet.	00:35:38
	Board of County Commissioners Bissell.	00:35:42
	Assess Cipriano Ramirez request a zone change from rural residential two district R2 to rural residential one district R1.	00:35:44
	To split the property into two lots.	00:35:53
	Legal Description Subdivision land of Toby and Lydia Pino.	00:35:55
	Track C1B.	00:35:59
	2.08 acres.	00:36:01
	C 4/24/2000 revision.	00:36:03
	Located at 52 Ladera Rd.	00:36:06
	Berlin, New Mexico 87002.	00:36:09
	UPC 1006033.	00:36:12
	475.	00:36:16
	335 followed by 6 zeros.	00:36:18
	Currently zoned rural residential two District R2.	00:36:21
	This was also heard on April the 25th at the PNZ Commission.	00:36:25
	In front of the ANC Commission and they did recommend this one for denial at that time.	00:36:29
	There was also some opposition at the time of that meeting as well for this case, which I think.	00:36:33
	Some of those individuals are here tonight as well.	00:36:38
	OK.	00:36:40
	And they stand for. Any questions, Mr. Bucket, this time?	00:36:40
	OK, there's one right now. Thank you. Are the applicants here in the audience?	00:36:45
	Yes, OK.	00:36:49
	If you.	00:36:50
	Would like to come up together individually however you would like to do with this.	00:36:51
	They both your names.	00:36:55
	For the record in your address please.	00:36:56
	Hello, my name is Boise Ramirez. This is my father, Jose Sipriano Ramirez, who's the applicant? I'm here to speak on his behalf.	00:36:59
	Thank you.	00:37:06
	Language barrier he doesn't understand but.	00:37:08
	We want to have a clear communication.	00:37:10
	So we did stand here in April and requested to get that zone change.	00:37:13
	My father's requesting to split his acre and two acres .1.	00:37:21
	Into two lots.	00:37:26
	Umm.	00:37:27
	At that time, we did mention our reasonings behind where.	00:37:29
	We would like to move to the.	00:37:33
	Property but.	00:37:35
	Would like to sell the other part or.	00:37:36
	You know if that doesn't work.	00:37:39
	Be able to hand it down to.	00:37:41
	One of his children or grandchildren. I mean, whatever.	00:37:43
	You know, it's decided.	00:37:47
	I mean, we don't know what will come, but.	00:37:49
	You know at that time I did mention to.	00:37:53
	I mean, I mentioned to the people here that.	00:37:58
	You know, we did do our research and noticed that.	00:38:01
	A lot of the properties in the surrounding area are an acre.	00:38:05
	In size, they're already with the construction.	00:38:09
	We have a vacant land.	00:38:13
	And, you know, we thought that that was a good.	00:38:15
	You know reason to request.	00:38:18
	You know the the the change.	00:38:21
	At that time we had a.	00:38:25
	Several of the neighbors.	00:38:27
	You know, post to it and we didn't feel that it was.	00:38:29
	You know, for reasons that.	00:38:32
	Are really?	00:38:35
	Related to zone change or I mean I I understand their concerns obviously that's that's important.	00:38:36
	But for example, one of the neighbors mentioned.	00:38:42
	That.	00:38:45
	He was concerned about value if a mobile home, 2 mobile homes were going to be brought in instead of 1.	00:38:46
	And I think that.	00:38:53
	That.	00:38:54
	Reasons.	00:38:55
	A little bit out of everybody's control, people continue to bring in mobile homes in the area.	00:38:56
	Another.	00:39:02
	Neighbor brought up his concerns to be that.	00:39:03
	You know what if another mobile home?	00:39:07
	You know, gets put in and.	00:39:09
	He was concerned about.	00:39:12
	A crime in the area.	00:39:13
	So again, another thing that we did in Phil was really.	00:39:15
	A good reason to conclude our to make a decision based on.	00:39:18
	One of the neighbors did bring up that.	00:39:23
	Because they are behind our property and there are water rights in our property currently.	00:39:26
	That.	00:39:33
	They want in the future.	00:39:33
	To have the opportunity to apply for water rights and obtain water rights.	00:39:35
	From that ditch.	00:39:39
	I believe they're paying for for the those water rights, but they don't have them.	00:39:41
	I don't. I don't know how that's.	00:39:45
	Being worked but.	00:39:47
	I think that.	00:39:49
	I mean if.	00:39:51
	That is.	00:39:52
	Something a little bit outside of the scope for why we're requesting the zone change and.	00:39:53
	You know what we we want to know.	00:39:59
	Why, if a decision is made?	00:40:01
	You know why those comments are being taken into consideration?	00:40:04
	Versus what you look at?	00:40:08
	You know, overall what's the big picture that you look at to consider a zone change and.	00:40:10
	You know, that's that's what our request is. That's why we're here today.	00:40:16
	Anything else?	00:40:21
	Any questions, Commissioner?	00:40:25
	Any questions of the applicant chair please?	00:40:28
	So you really don't have any.	00:40:30
	He said you might give it away, you might sell it.	00:40:34
	So you have no real plans for it, right?	00:40:36
	At this time, my father has been owner of the property for 15 years and he currently grows trees on the property.	00:40:38
	And he drives there daily.	00:40:46
	I mean, he loves the land. He wants to move in.	00:40:48
	Umm.	00:40:51
	But it's it's a huge 2 acres that's big for two people that are already.	00:40:52
	Getting up in age.	00:40:57
	And.	00:40:58
	You know, what would you do as a property owner? I mean, are you going to hold on to the land? Try to maybe?	00:40:59
	Sell it and get money back so that you can have a.	00:41:05
	And good retirement, you know you're.	00:41:08
	And enjoy your retirement, which you've worked so hard for. I mean, this was.	00:41:10
	A property that he initially purchased as an investment. Then he was like, oh, I like the property I want to move.	00:41:13
	Umm.	00:41:19
	And.	00:41:20
	Again, I mean we we want to sell just to give them the opportunity to have a a better retirement, but.	00:41:21
	Again, that's another thing that's a little bit.	00:41:28
	Out of our hands.	00:41:30
	Whether it will sell or not, we just don't feel that it.	00:41:31
	Should be a determining factor for.	00:41:35
	The zone changes decision whether.	00:41:37
	The reason he's asking is to sell or not.	00:41:40
	I mean, is it allowed to?	00:41:43
	Split.	00:41:44
	That's.	00:41:45
	That's where we want.	00:41:46
	We we we feel that that the focus is more on.	00:41:48
	Why do you all allow the zone change? Is it because of personal reasons? Because.	00:41:51
	You know, like our the previous story, because there's a.	00:41:56
	A story behind why the person wanted to split or is it?	00:41:59
	I mean, is it just?	00:42:03
	Why like?	00:42:04
	Sure, And are we allowed to?	00:42:05
	I mean, is this sufficient or request doesn't meet the criteria? Does it mean what you're looking at overall?	00:42:08
	That's.	00:42:16
	I feel special.	00:42:19
	Commissioners, anything else?	00:42:20
	Dave, this might be a good time to address the criteria. That's.	00:42:22
	That we will be considering for the zone change, if you would please. Absolutely, Mr. Chairman, happy to. So when we look at any	00:42:26
	zone change, this Board examines.	00:42:30
	Number one, whether it's consistent with surrounding land uses, and this might be a good time to.	00:42:34
	Ask that we put the map, and the board generally does that and looks to see whether or not there are other R ones.	00:42:39
	And what how far they are and whether or not that's the trend in the area?	00:42:44
	So if.	00:42:48
	P&Z might be able to pull that up.	00:42:49
	Mr. Buckley would come up to So We Get the get You on the recording.	00:43:37
	Chairman, Commissioners, the nearest.	00:43:42
	R1 zoning for this property will be approximately 1.2 miles.	00:43:45
	For the north and also.	00:43:50
	Just slightly more than that, 1.28 approximately southeast from there.	00:43:53
	There are similar size properties and similar uses of the properties, but the nearest R1 zoning is at least 1.2 miles.	00:43:57
	Thank you.	00:44:09
	Mr. Chairman, the the next consideration this board takes into account and considering whether or not to grant a zone change	00:44:12
	request.	00:44:15
	Is whether or not it advances the goals stated in the Comprehensive Plan.	00:44:18
	That's a very broad a broad.	00:44:22
	Criteria.	00:44:27
	And our comprehensive plan is is very broad and covers many different sorts of.	00:44:28
	Uses density and so forth.	00:44:32
	And finally, this board examines whether or not the change would be would that would advance the health, safety and welfare of	00:44:35
	county residents. So we look at.	00:44:39
	In access to services and access to utilities and access to to Fire Protection and so forth, and whether or not this would unduly	00:44:44
	burden the area or whether it would otherwise advance the health, safety and welfare of.	00:44:51
	Of the.	00:44:58
	Community.	00:44:59
	Very good. Thank you.	00:45:01
	I hope that answers your question.	00:45:02
	That you post us. OK, I know we had some people here that also wanted to speak so.	00:45:04
	Who wants to come up first? If you'll just state your name and your address for the record.	00:45:08
	And are you going to speak on your behalf or is it the gentleman that's on on the zoom level?	00:45:12
	Yeah, that's my question. First of all, speak up on my half.	00:45:17
	The gentleman Zoom says that he's been trying to get through and keeps dropping.	00:45:19
	OK. So let's go ahead and take your testimony. If you'll just state your name and address for the record. So and I want to know if	00:45:23
	I could give maybe 3 something the phone and maybe she could text me. That's not technically possible for her to call and have him	00:45:28
	testify over Zoom. He asked to actually call in. OK well he he basically called him on the phone saying he can't connect. He's in	00:45:33
	Los Alamos, got a new job.	00:45:38
	Is going through training and this and that and you can't.	00:45:44
	And down because of the new job? Sure, so.	00:45:46
	That's that's why I tried.	00:45:50
	OK, well, let's go ahead and take your testimony at this time. Let me give my part then. If they let you talk, I'll let, I'll let	00:45:52
	them talk to you.	00:45:54
	OK, first of all, so let's let's get started.	00:45:58
	We're going to take your test name, Simran Gonzalez again, your name, address and mine Ladera.	00:46:01
	Did you receive a certified letter as notice of this object? Yes. OK, Mr. Chairman, if you could also request you identify whether	00:46:06
	or not he was also sworn in for.	00:46:10
	Yes, we're just learning this morning. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.	00:46:14
	So.	00:46:18
	I live just due South.	00:46:20
	Of the land and on the South side of them we share the same irrigation ditch.	00:46:22
	Like I said, Ohh.	00:46:29
	This might have caused conflict between my neighbor. We've always got along.	00:46:31
	Might not get along with you now. I have nothing against them.	00:46:36
	But.	00:46:39
	And I've said before, I didn't want it zoned because when we bought that area, the guy that split that area up, he split up into	00:46:40
	two acre lots.	00:46:43
	Because back when he stood up, he could have went one acre lot and sold him one acre piece of.	00:46:47
	But he didn't want it to be that that small, so it's went to today across sections.	00:46:52
	It's been in A2 acre section zone.	00:46:57
	And everybody that's kind of moved there knew that when they bought it, so.	00:46:59
	For us to live there and be like, ohh **** and everybody's going to start setting it up.	00:47:03
	Nobody in the zoned area or nobody in the immediate area that bought that.	00:47:07
	I think it was like 8 acres or 8.9 acres.	00:47:11
	Nobody.	00:47:14
	Everybody bought it with the assumption it's a two acre lots in the section area.	00:47:16
	So now he's trying to split his two acres. So now we have two people.	00:47:21
	And then individual Gabes named Gabe Ortega. He has his role, so he supplies the.	00:47:25
	Access.	00:47:31
	To the bottom 2 acres, which is.	00:47:32
	Find.	00:47:34
	Get split up.	00:47:35
	Though he disagrees, he don't want more people going down because access roads that already go down the Access Rd.	00:47:36
	So.	00:47:43
	I don't want just more people living there because now we already have it. I have some space I have.	00:47:45
	I mean closest neighbor to me is at least.	00:47:50
	2 acres.	00:47:53
	Away from me.	00:47:54
	I like it that way.	00:47:56
	I don't have a lot of like.	00:47:58
	Robots. I don't have this. I don't.	00:48:00
	I'm not. I don't know. I can't predict the future. Somebody even there might move in their grades and they might not.	00:48:01
	Ohh. He's been trying to sell the two acres a while back.	00:48:08
	I don't know if he's still trying to sell it. I've never talked to him, never asked him.	00:48:12
	I don't know if he thinks that he splits it up. He sell one acre lots easier than two acre lots.	00:48:15
	Like I said, I don't know what his finance he says planning to move there. That's fine, he's.	00:48:20
	Ohh. He's planning to have his grandchildren take over, his family take over. They could take over 2 acre lot I I.	00:48:26
	Have no no rights with his family moving in.	00:48:33
	I mean.	00:48:37
	You're all welcome.	00:48:38
	As far as that goes.	00:48:40
	And I guess at that point that's probably all I kind of want to say, I just.	00:48:42
	Trying to keep.	00:48:45
	Our two acre areas and two acre areas.	00:48:46
	Anything.	00:48:49
	South of us is like.	00:48:50
	Makers, 5 acres, 5 acres.	00:48:52
	It's it's all like pretty much bigger lots till you get to that distance, he's maybe saying.	00:48:55
	Where they break it down against maybe one acre sections but.	00:49:00
	For the most of it, that's zoned 2 acre area.	00:49:04
	We'd like to try and keep it that way if we could.	00:49:09
	Thank you that that's it. So I need to try and get with Jesus so she can try and connect to him or can I just?	00:49:14
	Get him on the line. Tester, did you have a comment?	00:49:19
	Yeah, there's nobody been nobody in the waiting room or anybody that has tried to connect, because then it notifies me and then I	00:49:23
	allow them in, but nobody is connected at all.	00:49:27
	OK.	00:49:32
	Gabe, they're saying you haven't tried to connect?	00:49:33
	Step outside in their lobby teeth. Speak with him.	00:49:37
	OK, we had some other people that wanted to.	00:49:43
	We call her out down here. Yes, Sir. Could you come down to the lobby, please?	00:49:48
	Thank you, Ray.	00:49:52
	OK.	00:49:54
	I'm sorry about that. If you'll just state your name and address for the record and whether you were sworn in, I believe also	00:49:55
	correct, it was OK. And also, did you receive legal notice of this one change? Yeah, OK.	00:50:00
	Marjorie McConnell at 7 Lane Order circle.	00:50:06
	Umm.	00:50:09
	My property is next to.	00:50:10
	Mr. Ramirez.	00:50:14
	Property, and I'd like to give you a little history about that.	00:50:15
	Little neighborhood. I've been there since 1997.	00:50:19
	Originally the owner of the property, there's our property Now my ex-husband and I come on it.	00:50:22
	Umm.	00:50:29
	Wanted to turn.	00:50:30
	Our Peace and Dave and Dory Sanders, who are 15.	00:50:32
	Lane or circle?	00:50:36
	Into one acre pieces.	00:50:37
	And put in a couple of shared wells and.	00:50:40
	Rent out this property or sell. Sell when they're property.	00:50:43
	For.	00:50:47
	Little Mobile Home Park.	00:50:48
	He thought that would be a great opportunity to to develop it.	00:50:49
	And I don't this is like 1999 two thousand, because we bought the property in 2001.	00:50:52
	And I don't know if he went through a formal process to see if he could subdivide his 11 acres into one acre pieces.	00:50:59
	Or if the county just got wind of it.	00:51:07
	But he was turned down.	00:51:09
	He was told no.	00:51:11
	So there's already precedent.	00:51:13
	In in on our property.	00:51:15
	That the subdivision into one acre pieces.	00:51:18
	Has been disapproved.	00:51:21
	And I don't know. Like I said, I don't know if it was a formal process or not, but Mr. Baca just.	00:51:23
	At that point, he threw up his hands. He said, OK, I'm going to.	00:51:29
	Resurvey this into 52 acre pieces. 2 plus acre pieces.	00:51:33
	And I'm just gonna sell these pieces. Well, my ex-husband and I bought three of those pieces, and they've and Dory Sanders, who	00:51:37
	aren't here tonight, they gave testimony last time.	00:51:41
	Um, but the other two pieces?	00:51:46
	So.	00:51:49
	It seems to me that there's already.	00:51:50
	An idea that.	00:51:55
	Subdividing into one acre pieces in that neighborhood.	00:51:58
	Is already something that was.	00:52:02
	That was not allowed and is not the intention of the of the.	00:52:04
	County.	00:52:08
	In the long term, planning to have.	00:52:09
	To rural residential to.	00:52:11
	Pieces to to keep the flavor of the rural community up.	00:52:13
	And so, you know, that's, you know, I'm the one with the water.	00:52:18
	With the water rights thing, umm, we we've been paying the Rio Grande.	00:52:21
	Conservancy District.	00:52:26
	The taxes to have access to the water and sewer on and I can probably.	00:52:28
	Work out some access, but it was a concern of mine.	00:52:32
	That if I want to develop that property into some sort of agricultural property, you know, hang on to it, or if a future buyer	00:52:35
	wanted to.	00:52:40
	Develop that property into something agricultural or horse property or whatever they would need that water.	00:52:44
	And it was a concern of mine that.	00:52:51
	Subdividing this little.	00:52:53
	There, there are two. There are two acre piece into.	00:52:55
	Into.	00:52:57
	To one acre pieces was going to.	00:52:59
	Make that access a little more difficult.	00:53:02
	And.	00:53:05
	Not as amenable to the two acre.	00:53:08
	Flavor.	00:53:11
	That the county wants to maintain.	00:53:12
	So you know, there's also the the idea that you know there's access.	00:53:15
	To get into that one acre that they want to just keep, you know, they want that they want to subdivide and not.	00:53:19
	And and not develop but.	00:53:25
	I, you know, I just.	00:53:28
	Cimarron was right, we have.	00:53:30
	We bought those properties because we wanted the space.	00:53:32
	And we want to keep that space.	00:53:36
	So I want to thank you for your consideration and.	00:53:38
	I hope my little history lesson has given you some.	00:53:41
	Information to think about while you go back into session.	00:53:45
	Thank you.	00:53:48
	Any questions?	00:53:49
	Thank you very much.	00:53:55
	Mr. Chairman, if you have a minute.	00:53:56
	I do.	00:53:58
	Apologize for that. We had some other people that I believe were sporting wanted to speak.	00:54:24
	Is there anybody else want to speak on this zone change?	00:54:29
	Anybody else in the audience that wants to speak on this one change?	00:54:33
	Ma'am, I tell you, representing your father.	00:54:37
	Did you want to come forth and address some of the concerns that were brought forth?	00:54:40
	Please go ahead. I mean, I just want to just.	00:54:53
	To say what I.	00:54:57
	Restate what I mentioned earlier. I'm not hearing anything. I mean, I understand their concerns. I I think that they're valuable.	00:54:59
	Of course, we're all.	00:55:05
	Property owners we have.	00:55:06
	You know intentions with our land and we we follow rules and.	00:55:08
	You know, we we.	00:55:12
	We want to work things out and.	00:55:14
	You know, all that good stuff.	00:55:16
	But.	00:55:18
	Again, I'm not hearing anything that.	00:55:19
	That is really like, I mean he explained earlier what you look at for zone change and.	00:55:22
	I mean I know there is a distance of 1.2 with the most.	00:55:28
	You know, close R1.	00:55:33
	But again, I I ask that you look at the surroundings. There are smaller lots and.	00:55:36
	I mean their concerns are mobile homes. It's something that's going to continue. We're not making a huge impact difference with.	00:55:41
	With value with.	00:55:47
	You know, if we were to accomplish that in the future, again, we were all just assuming what's going to happen next.	00:55:48
	You know, we do have the intent to sell or to pass down. We we don't know. And yes, we we did try selling the property at 2 acres.	00:55:54
	This was about two years ago.	00:56:02
	My father had a stroke heart attack and I mean again, he goes daily works on the land. It was something that we needed him to stop	00:56:04
	doing so that he can recover.	00:56:08
	His back working, his back going daily.	00:56:13
	I mean the neighbor to the back that has a concern with the water irrigation rights.	00:56:16
	It's a vacant land. I don't even think that the the owner goes there regularly. I don't know. I'm sorry if I'm assuming.	00:56:20
	But it's a vacant land full of weeds.	00:56:26
	I mean.	00:56:29
	She's concerned about the value of her property. She's concerned about.	00:56:30
	You know, someone buying in the future and what they're going to do. But then she's also neglecting our needs and what we want to	00:56:34
	do as current homeowners with.	00:56:37
	You know current.	00:56:42
	Physicians that we want to make now.	00:56:44
	I feel that that's a little bit of selfish.	00:56:46
	On that.	00:56:48
	Comments personally.	00:56:49
	But again, I'm not taking away anyone's, you know, rights or comments or I mean.	00:56:52
	Everybody has their own opinion.	00:56:58
	We just asked that you.	00:57:00
	You know when you look and review my father's case that you.	00:57:02
	You know, look at the big picture on what does this area look like. Look at the property sizes of.	00:57:06
	And consider that.	00:57:12
	As a decision.	00:57:14
	You know as a factor in your decision making.	00:57:16
	There are those two acre lots that.	00:57:19
	The owner.	00:57:22
	So my father's right mentioned.	00:57:25
	But it's only a section of four. You'll see in the map it's only a section of four acres. The rest, it's really spotty in that	00:57:27
	area. I mean, you see, you see some beautiful custom homes.	00:57:32
	And five acre.	00:57:37
	Blots and you see some that are just in.	00:57:39
	You know, .75 of an acre mobile homes, it's it's really spotty and.	00:57:41
	I don't think it impacts value of homes.	00:57:46
	Honestly, it's.	00:57:49
	I mean.	00:57:51
	Those those are just the comments I want to say, I just want you to.	00:57:52
	See the big picture? I I'm I.	00:57:57
	Don't agree with the comments that.	00:57:59
	Are of a concern.	00:58:01
	Fishers in questions of the applicant at this time.	00:58:04
	OK, then I want to comment something.	00:58:06
	Sure, please.	00:58:09
	We don't see Maron.	00:58:11
	Thank you.	00:58:15
	Social commentary.	00:58:17
	And when we.	00:58:20
	I could get it.	00:58:23
	Yeah, yeah.	00:58:24
	And then once.	00:58:26
	No, not enough.	00:58:29
	No produce.	00:58:30
	Please.	00:58:32
	Yes, OK, yes, problem.	00:58:33
	You are OK boy.	00:58:36
	Yes.	00:58:37
	Get on, for example, of planning and cancelling the other planning.	00:58:40
	They They love each other.	00:58:44
	0.	00:58:46
	Manyana perform in the morning.	00:58:47
	Avaya.	00:58:49
	No.	00:58:51
	Then my profit.	00:58:53
	Defend that in effect.	00:58:54
	In fact at wire fence.	00:58:56
	Then my property.	00:58:58
	Yeah, they Englishman the 10 feet.	00:59:00
	Ohh, I'd in the beach.	00:59:05
	OK.	00:59:07
	Angle defense.	00:59:09
	The wire.	00:59:11
	I I.	00:59:12
	I'm miscarry because maybe him.	00:59:13
	So I can go on.	00:59:16
	People employ the property.	00:59:18
	Yeah.	00:59:19
	CSI.	00:59:21
	If somebody the planning going.	00:59:22
	Where him remove the fence the my property.	00:59:26
	Eastman.	00:59:32
	Avila.	00:59:35
	No.	00:59:36
	You wish you had an interpreter. Let me just kind of add a comment to there so that it's clear what my father's trying to say. I	00:59:40
	mean, I think that there's a lot of, you know, emotions of, you know, everybody's concerned with what might happen.	00:59:47
	They they have their ideas, We have our ideas. And he just brought something up that might not be within your scope. You just	00:59:55
	wanted to.	00:59:59
	Mentioned that in.	01:00:03
	Currently they they there is a water rights that they share him and one of the of the neighbors that are here.	01:00:04
	To come in and you know he's not allowing access to the easement and you know, again it's it's something that might be out of the	01:00:12
	school but.	01:00:16
	Because he he felt it was important to mention that, you know, to show that, I guess maybe that the.	01:00:20
	The neighbor can also cooperate and via a good neighbor in that sense I I I believe that's what where he was trying to get with	01:00:27
	this. Thank you.	01:00:31
	Because not setting my alarm.	01:00:37
	He was. He was interested in buying the land before it was first till five years ago.	01:00:41
	Ohh yeah my love.	01:00:49
	Your lunch for me?	01:00:51
	She is ending.	01:00:54
	OK. Thank you so much. Thank you.	01:00:55
	Sir, I know that you were trying to get your.	01:00:57
	Another neighbor on the on the phone.	01:01:00
	Please go ahead and come on up so we can.	01:01:02
	Explain to you what the what the situation is.	01:01:05
	Unfortunately, we can't take any testimony over the phone.	01:01:11
	We would have to have them either here in person or at least on a Zoom link so that there would be an opportunity for to cross	01:01:14
	examine him.	01:01:17
	So for that reason, we can't allow testimony over the phone. So I apologize for that, but I just want to make it clear to you why	01:01:21
	we won't do that.	01:01:24
	I understood what you're saying.	01:01:29
	I just kind of got him off the phone because he's like, well, I don't know why and he's like.	01:01:33
	I've been on phone things before. I'm like, well, I don't know what this Yeah, I just, yeah, we just want to make it clear. Yeah.	01:01:36
	I'll just let him know, but he's actually the neighborhood that they go through his easement to get through his easement.	01:01:44
	They go through his property, which is the easement to get through his property, if I said that right.	01:01:50
	But yeah.	01:01:55
	Thank you. Well, thank you very much.	01:01:56
	Is there anybody else that wishes to give any testimony at this time?	01:02:00
	Sure, please.	01:02:04
	On on that easement, is it a prescriptive easement or is it a actually the question I guess to?	01:02:06
	Whoever.	01:02:12
	Who, who, who has information on that easement that's being referred to? Does anybody have any information on that?	01:02:13
	Right. I don't know if you right, Yeah.	01:02:19
	Let me check if they put the server.	01:02:21
	If not, Sir, if you, if you wanna address that easy, but if you have information regarding it that we don't the Commission Bell	01:02:26
	would like.	01:02:30
	Ask a question on that.	01:02:33
	Go ahead and step forward please.	01:02:37
	Question on the the the access easement. Is it? Is it a documented?	01:02:41
	Or is it a prescriptive?	01:02:48
	It's, I believe it's documented the easement that comes right off Ladera down into the 52 Ladera.	01:02:49
	That's that's all that. But it's it's.	01:02:56
	It's down on paper that is is is an easement.	01:02:59
	Ohh yes that part is.	01:03:03
	Noted that it is an easement, so he does have to give the right away to that easement.	01:03:06
	I was just wondering if it was prescriptive or it was.	01:03:10
	Because prescriptive easements.	01:03:13
	Go away if things change.	01:03:15
	So if he splits the property.	01:03:17
	Then the prescriptive easement is no longer valid. If it's a, it's a, if it's a platted.	01:03:19
	Still access easement. If he splits the properties, that means it's. That's why I was asking what it is. It is.	01:03:25
	That Mr. Chairman. It might be more helpful to ask the applicant. That question. I think the applicant should know was for	01:03:33
	easement they have.	01:03:36
	Right.	01:03:40
	Go ahead and yeah.	01:03:41
	Go ahead and come on up please.	01:03:43
	It is a document that Eastman.	01:03:50
	And also there are other easements on the property as you can see in the map, there's the four, two acre lots.	01:03:52
	So the property can be accessed from Ladera Rd.	01:03:58
	That that's the one that.	01:04:02
	It gives access to my father's property. That's documented.	01:04:05
	And then there's other there's an easement that makes the like.	01:04:08
	So the one that gives my dad's access runs this way. And then there's another one.	01:04:11
	That goes this way in between the four.	01:04:16
	Acre. So there is other ways to access those.	01:04:18
	Those those properties as well.	01:04:21
	And I wanted to mention that one of the tweaker properties there with a mobile home, it's my grandfather's plant. It's now passed	01:04:24
	down to one of my uncles.	01:04:28
	And we also have an uncle to the other side of of our property.	01:04:33
	And I mean.	01:04:39
	Again.	01:04:40
	Because one of the four, it's my grandfathers.	01:04:41
	That there is access through there as well.	01:04:44
	He has.	01:04:47
	That family member does not have any concern. They're not here today. They're they haven't.	01:04:48
	Brought up their concerns about.	01:04:52
	You know the access to.	01:04:53
	52 Ladera, which is my dad's.	01:04:56
	Property.	01:04:58
	And and then all the lady mentioned a Anisman.	01:05:00
	Being a concern for her, but.	01:05:03
	The easement does not allow access to the the property to the back which is hers.	01:05:05
	It's she access her property through a complete different.	01:05:09
	Road or.	01:05:13
	You know St.	01:05:14
	OK. Thank you. Is that your question?	01:05:16
	Photo because the The Forelands Heaven days.	01:05:17
	Eventually they're using the.	01:05:21
	The issue.	01:05:23
	I said that comment on the paper.	01:05:24
	They all have documented exponents. Understand.	01:05:28
	Because him and blocker.	01:05:31
	You know, my friends.	01:05:34
	Wouldn't the launch?	01:05:36
	That's what the water on my land. I don't understand why.	01:05:39
	Why not?	01:05:42
	No, not remove the loan.	01:05:43
	When finished the using the water.	01:05:46
	Continue to have me every time they using the.	01:05:49
	At least the water I need to.	01:05:53
	You know, for the loan.	01:05:55
	Like a tarp or something that he has. They're holding the water.	01:05:57
	And he irrigates. It doesn't get removed. But again, I I'm sorry, those are the scope of this meeting. Yes, it is. Thank you.	01:06:01
	Milan.	01:06:09
	That's the guidance for me. No problem. The guidance is OK.	01:06:10
	Not that all.	01:06:14
	I don't need to.	01:06:16
	OK.	01:06:19
	Thank you. Thank you.	01:06:20
	Is there anybody else that has questions or would wish to comment on anything that has been said this evening?	01:06:23
	Commissioners, anything else?	01:06:31
	That's incredible.	01:06:38
	I don't. I don't have that access, that's for sure. He was. What were you about to say about the easements? That's something that	01:06:40
	if it's your property, we're not going to be discussing that tonight. You can get with him and figure out your your personal	01:06:43
	easement at a later time, if you will. That easement goes right in front of my property, one of the easements they're talking	01:06:47
	about.	01:06:51
	So and the grandfather passed away. He had moved that gate to block that whole easement to the land, and all of a sudden he wanted	01:06:55
	to move it back for.	01:06:59
	I don't know if it's for them so they could get back and forth on it.	01:07:03
	He said that's the easement between.	01:07:07
	Him and.	01:07:09
	Our property because that that.	01:07:10
	Crosses off our property, so.	01:07:12
	I don't know in that easement.	01:07:14
	If it's actually has to, I have to like allow that or.	01:07:16
	Me and their brother-in-law. I'm not sure what it is, Tim.	01:07:20
	If he moves his fence out, if that easement can be just flopped off, so don't have to be a argument to discussion.	01:07:24
	None of that stuff.	01:07:31
	And all apologize in front of you all.	01:07:33
	I'll start moving the canvases.	01:07:35
	I was putting the cameras so I don't over wet his land.	01:07:37
	Because my land sets in little higher than his, so when I water.	01:07:40
	Water backflow into his gland.	01:07:44
	And I didn't even get him mad about that. Makes noise, can be saying I'm flooding land.	01:07:46
	I'm doing a Picasso and to try and topple because our gates.	01:07:51
	One of the gates is broke, so it hasn't been.	01:07:54
	We on the bottom so water goes under mined lands higher, so the water.	01:07:57
	And it's a kick back to his side, so.	01:08:01
	Of putting the canvas that stops the water from going that way.	01:08:03
	But I'll be sure to try and start moving the canvas from now on. I mean, if you must be in the issue, OK, I'll work on that.	01:08:07
	Thank you. That's I just want to know if you could clarify the easement thing, if it's possible I could talk to them later. No	01:08:12
	matter Dave, do we want to go down that path now or do can you verify his easement?	01:08:17
	No.	01:08:22
	If they have a copy of a recorded easement, that would be the best way to show the board what what exists and what doesn't. I	01:08:23
	mean, I think that's the best evidence, but.	01:08:27
	If it's in the back, yeah.	01:08:32
	OK.	01:08:34
	Very good.	01:08:35
	OK, well.	01:08:37
	We will be making a decision on this one change again after our executive session a little bit later in the meeting.	01:08:38
	OK.	01:08:43
	We'll move on to item number 8. This is also a public hearing. This is Ordinance 2023 regarding.	01:08:45
	The sitting and permitting of wireless telecommunication facilities miss talking you.	01:08:52
	Good evening, Chair and Commissioners. I stand before you this afternoon requesting approval for an ordinance regulating the city	01:08:59
	and permitting of wireless telecommunication facilities.	01:09:04
	The purpose and intent of this ordinance is to protect the health, safety and welfare of the citizens of Valencia County.	01:09:10
	By minimizing the negative impact of wireless telecommunication facilities.	01:09:16
	The ordinance will establish a fair and efficient process for review and approval of applications.	01:09:22
	Per the federal, state and local regulations.	01:09:28
	Encourage the use of.	01:09:31
	Existing facilities.	01:09:33
	Ensure all new facilities are constructed using current technologies that are designed to conceal the site and to accommodate	01:09:36
	further growth.	01:09:40
	And imposed fees for applicants desiring to place a new facility, whether on existing structures or new structures.	01:09:44
	Fees cover the cost of a consultant to advise the county on this highly technical process and I think that's an important to point	01:09:52
	out because we don't necessarily have the staff.	01:09:56
	With that expertise. So we may have to reach out to somebody who does.	01:10:01
	And this should be put on the companies that are requesting.	01:10:06
	The.	01:10:11
	The the tower.	01:10:12
	So again, I am recommending approval.	01:10:14
	For the ordinance regulating the sitting and permitting of wireless telecommunication facilities.	01:10:17
	And I stand for any questions.	01:10:23
	Commissioners, any questions, Miss Amaya?	01:10:24
	Here's your son.	01:10:30
	Thank you. Thank you.	01:10:31
	OK, hit. This time we're gonna go ahead and move on to our action items and item number 14 be moved up, so.	01:10:36
	At this time I need a motion to.	01:10:42
	Adjourn the Board. Adjourned Board of County Commissioners and reconvene is Indigent Board.	01:10:44
	I'll move second motion second. Any discussion on the motion to 2nd.	01:10:48
	There be no Miss Richardson vote yes. Mr. Brazil, your vote Yes Mr. Sparking your vote Yes You share on your vote Yes yes.	01:10:53
	Samuel.	01:11:00
	I'm sorry.	01:11:01
	I'll confuse here, Miss Garcia.	01:11:04
	Sorry about that.	01:11:07
	You were halfway there or here. Thank you.	01:11:09
	Good evening, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.	01:11:13
	The following is a summary of activity for the month of June.	01:11:16
	15 claims were submitted by individuals of the public in the amount of $12,341.99.	01:11:19
	Of which $975.52.	01:11:26
	It's being submitted for consideration.	01:11:29
	Both claims were submitted for individuals of the detention center.	01:11:32
	In the amount of $16,495.61.	01:11:36
	Of which $4123.91.	01:11:42
	It's been submitted for consideration.	01:11:46
	9 appeals in the amount of $2743.76.	01:11:49
	27 total claims.	01:11:55
	We're submitted in the amount of.	01:11:57
	$7843.19.	01:11:59
	The June.	01:12:04
	Roadrunner Health Services Detention Center.	01:12:05
	Medical contract payment is.	01:12:08
	24,250.	01:12:10
	Dollars and $0.84.	01:12:12
	The total amount for consideration from the indigent fund is.	01:12:15
	32,094.	01:12:18
	Dollars and three cents.	01:12:20
	The Indigent Fund.	01:12:23
	Balance As of June 13th, it's $1,440,842.68.	01:12:24
	And with that, I recommend approval.	01:12:33
	Any questions about Garcia and the Agent indigent fund?	01:12:36
	There's there's a recommendation chair, Yes. I'd like to make a motion to approve as presented.	01:12:41
	Second, have a motion second for approval, any discussion motion and 2nd.	01:12:46
	Would be no, commissioner. Vote yes, vote yes, Fisher sparked in your vote yes. Sure. Got your vote yes. Vote yes. It's approved.	01:12:50
	Thank you. Thank you.	01:12:53
	Mr. Chairman, Regarding Public Hearing Number Ordinance #8.	01:13:01
	Does there need to be?	01:13:06
	Public hearing and input on that.	01:13:11
	You know what? I did skip that.	01:13:14
	I apologize.	01:13:16
	I don't know if there's anybody here to speak on that, but I.	01:13:17
	I I thought that you did, Mr. Chairman, but I was sitting here, so. But yes, let's go back to that just in case. OK. Thank you.	01:13:19
	Thank you, Mr. Clerk.	01:13:23
	I didn't see anybody here to speak on. It's like assume not, but I that was my mistake.	01:13:27
	OK. I apologize guys. We'll go back to item number 8. That's the ordinance, the public hearing on that. Is there anybody in the	01:13:43
	audience?	01:13:46
	Did you go out of Ohh. Thank you. I'm sorry. Yeah. At this time I need a motion to.	01:13:50
	Reconvenes board county commissioners.	01:13:56
	So moved.	01:13:57
	The motion second. Any discussion motion second.	01:13:58
	There be no Commissioner Rich in your vote yes, vote yes. Mr. Spark, from your vote yes. Yes. You're gonna vote I vote yes. Thank	01:14:01
	you for catching that. OK, we'll get me on track here.	01:14:05
	OK. Item number 8 was the Republic of the public hearing on the regulating Insignia, permitting and wireless communications.	01:14:10
	Some of you go ahead and come up again and I'll just ask if there's any public comment.	01:14:17
	On this.	01:14:21
	Commissioner.	01:14:23
	Chair and Commissioners, there was We posted it for public comment and received none to my knowledge. Is there anybody in the	01:14:25
	audience that wishes to make comment on this particular ordinance?	01:14:30
	OK.	01:14:38
	There be none.	01:14:39
	We'll go ahead and move on to the action item. Is that, is that OK to do it that way? Yes, it is OK.	01:14:40
	So at this time, we'll move on to item number 9.	01:14:45
	This is approval of the ordinance regulating the sitting and permitting of wireless telecommunications. Miss, I'm here. You can go	01:14:49
	ahead and come up, but I don't think we'll need you to do anything on this one. But.	01:14:54
	Wouldn't come up in case there's questions. Any questions, fellow commissioners on this?	01:14:59
	Sure. No question, yes.	01:15:03
	Is this a this?	01:15:06
	Direction to to publish the ordinance or am I, you know, missing the ordinance here?	01:15:08
	Is this a? Is this? Is there an ordinance?	01:15:15
	To approve here is this Is this just to to?	01:15:18
	My understanding this is an ordinance for approval. That's right that this is the ordinance for approval. It was directed to be	01:15:22
	published I believe last two meetings ago. That's correct. And it was posted in the paper.	01:15:27
	I don't have a.	01:15:34
	Copy of the ordinance, I guess.	01:15:36
	It's not in our packet.	01:15:41
	Sorry.	01:15:46
	Yeah, I I I have the copies here, yes.	01:15:48
	And Mr. Chairman, it's certainly it's it's the discretion of the Board if the Board would like to take additional time to consider	01:16:14
	this certainly you know May.	01:16:18
	You know and and you know I mean.	01:16:24
	And table of the item until the next meeting. I mean if if you would like, otherwise I do have.	01:16:26
	Of two proposed changes which are very very minor on page 8, which would be to just change it to.	01:16:31
	Reflect that the resolutions that are you know that should be setting fees.	01:16:37
	Will be set at a later time. They're not already identified in this ordinance. So I just clarified that language, but it's really	01:16:43
	not of consequence relating to the ordinance itself.	01:16:47
	Issues. Would you wish to table the action on this till next meeting or?	01:16:52
	I think I would just wanted to read I want.	01:16:57
	I am concerned about.	01:17:01
	About promoting appearance and and.	01:17:04
	Using technologies to conceal, I just want to make sure that's not.	01:17:09
	Overly.	01:17:13
	Difficult to do, you know.	01:17:14
	Yeah, I'd like to table it and and.	01:17:21
	No, we don't need to table the public hearing, just the action, is that correct? Correct. Just the action, just the action item,	01:17:24
	it's already been published in anyone who had the opportunity, I mean anyone had the opportunity to show up at this meeting and.	01:17:29
	And.	01:17:34
	Be available to comment. Therefore, it shouldn't be a problem to table it and address it the next meeting, because anyone who is	01:17:36
	interested here would be here or on Zoom to to hear you take that action. Mr. Chairman, just so that we're certain to comply with	01:17:42
	437 Seven, we will republish it and.	01:17:47
	Have that on the next agenda for the board's consideration.	01:17:53
	For the public hearing or just for the action? For the action?	01:17:56
	OK.	01:18:00
	Right. We have a motion to table the action on this particular ordinance. It's item number 9 for tonight is our second.	01:18:01
	2nd.	01:18:07
	Have a motion in a second for tabling any discussion on the motion of the 2nd.	01:18:07
	Michael.	01:18:12
	Yes, yes.	01:18:13
	Mr. Sparkman, you vote yes on your vote yes, I vote yes. We'll table that and revisit this at our next meeting, whenever we have	01:18:15
	it on on the next agenda.	01:18:19
	Thank you. Thank you.	01:18:23
	OK, let's move on to item number 10.	01:18:26
	Approval of recognition and recording of accounts payable is true here.	01:18:29
	Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.	01:18:35
	I have one Accounts Payable.	01:18:38
	Authorization for your consideration.	01:18:41
	This is for the period May 6th through June 14th, 2023 and it is in the amount of 2,710,000.	01:18:44
	$624.58 it is.	01:18:53
	About a month and a half. That's why it's so high here. We've accumulated for that period of time.	01:18:57
	As far as payroll authorizations, I have three separate ones.	01:19:04
	234 separate authorizations for your consideration.	01:19:09
	The first one is for wages paid on April 21st, 2023.	01:19:13
	In the amount of $747, I'm sorry, $747,894.02.	01:19:18
	The second one is for wages paid on May 5th, 2023 in the amount of $723,123.67.	01:19:29
	The next one is for wages paid on May 19th, 2023.	01:19:41
	In the amount of 715,000.	01:19:46
	$998.45.	01:19:49
	And the last one is for wages paid on June 2nd, 2023.	01:19:53
	In the amount of 727,000.	01:19:58
	$489.50 and if you can notice, they're all pretty similar in the amount of some of it has. Some of the increases have to do with.	01:20:02
	Overtime, or if we pay nominal fees to our volunteer firefighters, it brings those wages up a little bit, but they they're pretty	01:20:12
	consistent, staying within the same range.	01:20:17
	And with that, I stand for any questions and I do recommend approval of all these packets. Very good. Any questions to Mr. Hill?	01:20:22
	There be none so recommendation.	01:20:32
	Sure.	01:20:34
	Must make motion to approve as presented.	01:20:35
	You have a motion.	01:20:38
	We have a motion second for approval. Any discussion on the motion the 2nd?	01:20:39
	There be none, Commissioners. Your vote yes. Mission Bazaar vote yes. Mr. Sparkman, you vote yes. You've done your vote yes. I	01:20:43
	vote yes. You're approved.	01:20:46
	Thank you.	01:20:49
	Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, and very briefly, as you're signing all this, I intended to start off by letting you know that	01:21:16
	Department of Finance and DFA did approve our interim budget for 2024. So we have their approval on that Now. We'll work on	01:21:22
	getting the final budget together. Thank you. That's good news. Thank you for sharing.	01:21:29
	Sure.	01:21:37
	OK, item number 11, Approval of resolution. State powers, Mr. Hill.	01:21:44
	Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.	01:21:48
	I have state bars for your consideration. This are all in preparation for fiscal year end.	01:21:50
	What I do is I pull up a report.	01:21:56
	Showing where we stand and where we're.	01:21:59
	Have overspend or received more money than we budget it and this are based on that report. Now this are not going to be the final.	01:22:04
	Budget adjustments I bring before you for the fiscal year because we need to pay all invoices and close and pretty much almost	01:22:11
	close our books. For 2023, I bring you last set of budget adjustments before I can close those books.	01:22:19
	So I stand for any question On this date bars.	01:22:28
	Any questions, Mr. Hill?	01:22:31
	There be none as a recommendation.	01:22:34
	Primary Commission to approve the state bars as presented.	01:22:36
	Second, have a motion second for approval. Any discussion on the motion of the 2nd.	01:22:40
	Would be done, Commissioner Rich, in your vote yes, vote yes. Mr. Spark, in your vote yes, your down, your vote yes, vote yes are	01:22:45
	approved.	01:22:48
	Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, this resolution is 2023 Dash 38.	01:22:52
	Hey, item number 12.	01:23:17
	Is also approval of resolution local bars, Mr. here, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, these are our local bars that I have been able	01:23:19
	to identify to date.	01:23:23
	One of the things I should have mentioned with the state bars and this ones as well is that we cannot submit.	01:23:29
	To DFA, our final report for the fiscal year cannot have any negative.	01:23:35
	Budget balances. So everything that we spend or we receive, we the has to. There has to be a budgeted amount for that. This is the	01:23:40
	first.	01:23:44
	Step in completing those for the fiscal year end.	01:23:49
	And I stand for any questions, any questions on the local bars?	01:23:53
	Here's a recommendation.	01:23:58
	Mr. Chair like make a motion to approve as presented.	01:24:00
	Second, have a motion and 2nd for approval Any discussion on the motion of the 2nd.	01:24:03
	For me, being non commissioner, vote yes, vote yes, she spark. When you vote yes, you're on your vote yes, vote yes, they are	01:24:07
	approved.	01:24:11
	Thank you all.	01:24:14
	Mr. Chairman and Commissioners, this resolution is 2023 Dash 39.	01:24:15
	OK. Item number 13 was tabled, so we'll move on now to our executive session. Mr. ***** would you please announce it?	01:24:42
	I'd be happy to, Mr. Chairman.	01:24:48
	Pursuant to 10:15 one.	01:24:50
	Each of the following matters may be discussed in Executive session under 1015 One and H3 Administrative Adjudicatory Proceedings	01:24:52
	Zone Change.	01:24:56
	23-22 and 23-21.	01:25:00
	Under competitive seal proposals 10/15 One H 6.	01:25:03
	Lindsay County Hospital.	01:25:08
	Already Sir? Motion to go into executive session for the stated reasons.	01:25:12
	Squirrel Make a motion to approve.	01:25:16
	Present.	01:25:19
	We have We have a motion second to.	01:25:20
	Reconvening Executive session for the stated reasons. Any discussion on motion the 2nd.	01:25:23
	Begin, Commissioner, in your vote yes. Commissioner Bell, you vote yes, which is parked in your vote yes. If you ever got your	01:25:28
	vote yes, I vote yes.	01:25:31
	We will report.	01:25:35
	No, go ahead please.	01:25:42
	OK, we should go back to regular session please.	01:25:45
	Moved.	01:25:49
	Motion and 2nd. Any discussion on Motion and 2nd.	01:25:51
	Be known for scripts and broke.	01:25:54
	Yes, I wrote yes Spark, when you vote yes, share down your vote. Yes, yes, we're back in session. Mr. ***** would you please	01:25:56
	summarize the items discussed in closed session, please?	01:26:00
	Or they can do it wherever either be he wants to cool that.	01:26:05
	Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, the items discussed in closed session were limited to those in the motion for closure.	01:26:14
	Specifically, Zones Change 23.	01:26:19
	22/23/21 Request for proposals for Valencia County Hospital. No final action was taken.	01:26:22
	Good.	01:26:29
	Motion to that effect, please move.	01:26:30
	Discussion on the motion and 2nd.	01:26:32
	There be none from Rich in your vote yes, vote yes Mr. sparking your vote Yes Commissioner got your vote? Yes Yes.	01:26:35
	OK. We'll move on back to our action items. Item number 15 is the approval of a zone change 2023-022.	01:26:42
	Mr. Bucket.	01:26:50
	Good evening, Chairman, Commissioners before you.	01:26:54
	Is there request for approval of zone change 2023?	01:26:57
	Dash 02/2, District 5.	01:27:00
	PNZ Commissioner Trujillo BC Ortegon.	01:27:03
	Maria Eva Herrera's request a zone change from rural residential to district R2 to rural residential one district R1.	01:27:07
	To split the property into two lots.	01:27:15
	Legal Description Subdivision Las Palomas Acres.	01:27:17
	Lot 22.49 acres.	01:27:20
	Map 711995 amended V Also SWH.	01:27:23
	Located at 11 Palomas Rd. Los Lunas, NM 87031.	01:27:29
	UPC.	01:27:34
	1012038.	01:27:35
	475445 followed by 6 zeros.	01:27:39
	Currently zoned rural residential two District R2.	01:27:42
	And stand for any questions.	01:27:47
	Commissioners, any questions, Mr. Bucket?	01:27:49
	Mr. Chair, just comment please.	01:27:52
	This is my district, however, I am a.	01:27:55
	Of budding.	01:27:58
	Landowner to the property in question.	01:28:00
	And so it was not.	01:28:03
	Part of the discussion on this item in executive session.	01:28:05
	And I will be recusing myself from the vote as well.	01:28:08
	Very good.	01:28:11
	OK. Any other questions or comments?	01:28:13
	To be known as their recommendation.	01:28:16
	Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve the zone change change as presented.	01:28:22
	We have a motion for approval of this zone change.	01:28:26
	Is there a second?	01:28:29
	2nd.	01:28:31
	That a motion second, Any discussion on the motion the 2nd.	01:28:32
	There's a reason, Commissioner Richard, your vote.	01:28:37
	Yes, Bishop. Sell your vote. Yes.	01:28:39
	Mr. Sparkman, your vote. Yes, Mr. Regan.	01:28:41
	Recusal.	01:28:44
	And I vote yes, it is approved.	01:28:45
	OK. Item number 16 again approval of zone change 2023 that dash 02/1.	01:28:48
	Mr. Butcher.	01:28:54
	Good evening, Chairman, Commissioners, before you is a request for approval of zone Change 2023 Dash 01021.	01:28:57
	District 4 PNC Commissioner Sublet.	01:29:04
	BBC Bazelle.	01:29:07
	Possess Cipriano Ramirez requested zone change from rural residential to district R2.	01:29:08
	To rural residential one district are R1 to split the property into two lots.	01:29:13
	Legal Description Subdivision land of Toby and Lydia Pino.	01:29:19
	Tracks C1 B 2.08 acres.	01:29:22
	C 4/24/2000 revision.	01:29:26
	Located at 52 Ladera Rd. Belen, NM 87002.	01:29:29
	UPC 1006.	01:29:33
	033475	01:29:36
	335 followed by 6 zeros.	01:29:39
	Currently zoned rural residential two district are R2.	01:29:42
	And they stand for any questions.	01:29:46
	Any questions, Mr. Bache Commissioners?	01:29:47
	What was the planning and zoning vote?	01:29:49
	This one was recommended for denial.	01:29:54
	And that was at 3 to 0.	01:29:57
	Any other questions?	01:30:02
	Here's a recommendation.	01:30:05
	Mr. Chair, Bishop Zell, that's your district? Sure, I'd like to make a motion to disapprove.	01:30:07
	We have a motion for denial of the zone change.	01:30:13
	Is there a second?	01:30:16
	2nd.	01:30:18
	The motion and 2nd for denial. Any discussion on the motion to the second.	01:30:20
	There be none, Commissioner Richardson wrote.	01:30:26
	No.	01:30:28
	We should Brazil your vote yes.	01:30:29
	Mr. Sparkman, your vote yes.	01:30:30
	Share on your vote No. I vote no.	01:30:32
	So the zone change does pass, correct?	01:30:36
	Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board No the.	01:30:41
	The motion fails.	01:30:44
	So a new motion would be in order. OK. Thank you for that.	01:30:46
	So the motion did fail. So is there another motion on this?	01:30:49
	There's one change.	01:30:53
	I will make a motion to approve the zone change.	01:30:57
	We have a motion for approval. Is there a second?	01:31:00
	2nd.	01:31:02
	The motion second for approval. Any discussion on the motion of the 2nd.	01:31:03
	There be none, Commissioners, in your vote.	01:31:08
	Yes, Commissioner Bell, your vote no. Mr. Sparked your vote no. You got your vote yes and I vote yes. So now it is approved that	01:31:10
	some changes.	01:31:13
	Is approved also.	01:31:18
	OK, we have a couple of upcoming meetings to announce. Actually one, the July 5th, 2023 business meeting has been cancelled.	01:31:20
	July 19, 2023 public hearing business meeting.	01:31:27
	Will be at 5:00 o'clock here in the Chambers and also via Facebook Live.	01:31:31
	And is there any closing comments from fellow commissioners?	01:31:35
	There be none. We are adjourned.	01:31:38

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	Mr. Chairman, we're good when you are.	00:00:05
	Under the flag of the United States of America.	00:00:27
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:00:30
	One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:33
	Commissioners, have the agenda before us. Got a couple changes I'd like to.	00:00:44
	Present to you, first of all, item number 13 will be tabled this evening.	00:00:49
	And I was gonna ask if there's objection to move item number 14.	00:00:54
	To our first action item of the evening so it would go before item 9.	00:00:59
	If there's.	00:01:05
	Or if there's any.	00:01:06
	If there's a.	00:01:08
	Opposition to that, that I would appreciate that and if there's any other changes, my fellow Commissioners all accept those now.	00:01:10
	Any changes by staff?	00:01:18
	No, Mr. Chairman, that was the.	00:01:20
	Is there a motion to approve the agenda as amended?	00:01:22
	So moved.	00:01:25
	The motion and 2nd any discussion. The motion is second.	00:01:27
	They've begun, Mr. Richardson. Vote yes, vote yes. Commissioner sparked your vote yes, vote yes. I vote yes. It is approved as	00:01:30
	amended.	00:01:34
	Item number four, approval of minutes. We have one set of minutes from our.	00:01:38
	June 7th, 2023 Public hearing Business meeting. Are there any changes to those minutes?	00:01:41
	Any changes by staff?	00:01:49
	No, Mr. Chairman.	00:01:51
	If not, is there a recommendation to approve as presented?	00:01:52
	Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve as presented.	00:01:54
	2nd.	00:01:57
	The motion and 2nd. Any discussion on the motion and 2nd.	00:01:58
	There would be none. Commissioner Richardson, you vote yes, vote yes, vote yes. On your vote yes, vote yes. They stand approved.	00:02:01
	We'll go ahead and move on now to our public comment.	00:02:08
	Thank you.	00:02:18
	OK.	00:02:40
	There's a couple of names on here that I can't read, but the first one I believe the last name is Smith.	00:02:42
	OK.	00:02:48
	So hidden.	00:02:49
	Step up and you'll if you'll just give your name and address for the record, please.	00:02:51
	Good evening. My name is Sharon Smith.	00:03:01
	I love that 7 Lewis St.	00:03:04
	And blind.	00:03:06
	Which is Casa Colorado area, for those who don't know.	00:03:08
	I'm here again on the issue of the cannabis farm they're trying to put at the beginning of our neighborhood.	00:03:12
	I've spoke here before.	00:03:19
	We are very concerned. Our issues are still the same. We made sure you each had a copy of that last time we were here so you could	00:03:21
	see what our issues were.	00:03:26
	They have not changed at all.	00:03:31
	We have not heard from the county. I have made numerous calls.	00:03:33
	And I'm still not getting answers.	00:03:37
	I have tried to make an appointment to be at one of your hearings.	00:03:40
	So that we can talk to you.	00:03:44
	And nobody calls me back.	00:03:48
	So I made a second call and I used Mr. Sparkman.	00:03:51
	As my sponsor, because I didn't know how to be, how to get a hold of the sponsor, I didn't know who was the sponsor, who was in	00:03:54
	the sponsor.	00:03:58
	And I was told no.	00:04:02
	No explanation.	00:04:04
	Just no.	00:04:07
	I don't know if Mr. Sparkman said no or if they just.	00:04:09
	Don't use the Councilman.	00:04:13
	I would like to have a hearing.	00:04:15
	We have great concerns.	00:04:18
	And we are not being heard.	00:04:21
	And now this has gone on for quite a while.	00:04:23
	And we're still not getting answers. And I've spoken to Mike Milam.	00:04:26
	He probably remembers my call. And you did say you would call me as soon as anything changed.	00:04:30
	I haven't heard from my.	00:04:37
	I don't know if it's still on.	00:04:38
	I don't know if it's off.	00:04:41
	I don't know what my next step needs to be. I don't know if you have a requirement.	00:04:42
	For us to do something before we get to stand before you.	00:04:47
	Please advise us.	00:04:51
	We pay taxes.	00:04:52
	We have been here 2022 1/2 years. Several of my neighbors have been here longer and some are little shorter than us.	00:04:54
	We should have rights.	00:05:03
	So please tell us how to get to your hearing so that we can express our concerns.	00:05:06
	And our complaints?	00:05:11
	And what are our issues are at this point?	00:05:13
	I've spoke to the road department.	00:05:17
	They will not call me back.	00:05:19
	I have given them questions.	00:05:21
	That there should be answers to.	00:05:23
	One lady said she's been there 20 years.	00:05:25
	Why can she not answer?	00:05:28
	Why that road is now called?	00:05:30
	Peace flamed, but it was not called Peace Lane when we moved here. But nobody seems to know that.	00:05:33
	Please answer our questions. Please help us with this cannabis issue. It does not belong in the neighborhood. You look around and	00:05:41
	there are thousands and thousands of acres of land.	00:05:46
	They're much more appropriate.	00:05:52
	For a cannabis farm, we are not telling you we don't think they should be out there.	00:05:54
	We are not putting in our political field.	00:06:00
	Thank you. Thank you.	00:06:03
	OK, I believe there is another signature like.	00:06:07
	OK. That's perfect. Go ahead and come on up if you'll just.	00:06:12
	You just state your name and address for the record, please. Evening, my name is Chuck Woodward.	00:06:16
	That was my wife you just listened to.	00:06:20
	7 Lewis St. there in Costa, Colorado.	00:06:22
	We've been in here before and I don't have a lot to say tonight. You know, I've said it all before.	00:06:26
	Basically here just to let you know that.	00:06:31
	We're we're still concerned. We're not going away.	00:06:34
	We're going to keep after this thing, you know, until we get something resolved.	00:06:37
	You know, like she said, there's a lot of various in that area.	00:06:42
	They're far more appropriate for something like this in a neighborhood.	00:06:47
	Everybody we've talked to says this is definitely going to affect our property values.	00:06:51
	We've got kids in the neighborhood. The Sheriff's Department has agreed that it's likely going to bring our crime rate back up	00:06:57
	again.	00:07:01
	And we spent a long time and we.	00:07:05
	Organize a community.	00:07:08
	Watch.	00:07:11
	System and we've cleaned it up and and we've got rid of there was a lot of crime there and this.	00:07:12
	Pretty much nonexistent now. We want to keep it that way.	00:07:17
	And so, like she said, we've been here over 20 years or 22 years.	00:07:21
	But there are people in that neighborhood. Been there 40 years and more.	00:07:25
	And I think that we should have a say in what goes on.	00:07:29
	What comes into our neighborhood?	00:07:32
	You know.	00:07:34
	This is just not like.	00:07:35
	Somebody when this started, it looked like somebody who gets to build a house there.	00:07:37
	And it almost looked like they tried to sneak it in. You know, when they put the well in them, they put a big pile of dirt in	00:07:42
	front of it so you couldn't see it and.	00:07:45
	And you know, I I don't know. It's just it's just a screen deal. I I think that it's just not appropriate for a neighborhood like	00:07:49
	that.	00:07:53
	To have.	00:07:56
	That our neighborhood.	00:07:57
	I realize it's legal. I'm against it.	00:07:59
	Doesn't matter. It's legal, but we we just don't want it growing in our neighborhood.	00:08:02
	So that's it for me. Thank you. Thank you.	00:08:07
	OK, next we have a Ramon Baca.	00:08:12
	Good afternoon.	00:08:26
	Under one baca.	00:08:27
	A little bit 618 of drive.	00:08:30
	I've been in a long.	00:08:32
	Life residency born and raised.	00:08:33
	In the Conqueror.	00:08:36
	And I live in Berlin.	00:08:38
	But I was some different calculator I seen all that there was to be seen.	00:08:40
	I'd like to share with you yours have seen what?	00:08:46
	All these drugs have come up to how much is costing us all our taxpayer dollars.	00:08:49
	How much?	00:08:55
	If.	00:08:57
	It's hurting.	00:08:58
	No, there's nothing good.	00:08:59
	About this whole thing.	00:09:01
	And yet in Mexico, right now, it's got the 15th highest drug.	00:09:02
	In the United States.

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